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- Senovėje buvo tikima, kad ant kaklo nešiojami įvairūs amuletai nuo kažko apsaugo, suteikia stiprybės. Ar buvo paplitę akmeniniai amuletai, papuošalai?

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- O kiek akmuo kaip tam tikras simbolis yra svarbus senuosiuose padavimuose, legendose, sakmėse ar mįslėse? Ar akmuo ten labai sureikšminamas ir dažnai minimas?

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